GROSS WEIGHT INCREASE FOR SWIFTS DEFINED... (060100)
Subj: Gross Weight Increase Kit
From: Brian Cumpston <n78320@hotmail.com>
Jim,
It was a real pleasure to meat you in Athens. At the banquet they were auctioning
off gross weight increase kits, what is a gross weight increase kit, and
what does it contain? Brian
Brian,
The normal gross weight of a Swift is 1710 lbs. Merlyn Products of Spokane,
WA has a kit to raise this to 1970 lbs. for the big engined Swifts. (210
Continental, 200 Lycoming, 220 Franklin) They also were offering a kit for
the smaller engine Swifts, like the 145 which allowed 1835 lbs, but I don't
know if they sell that kit anymore. I think the kit sells for around $800.
What you get is primarily the paperwork. The hardware consists of a pair
of aluminum straps about 6" long which must be riveted in at the lower wing
attach point. -- Jim
TILT OF THE INSTRUMENT PANEL ON THE SWIFT... (060300)
Subj: PANEL
From: Lee Davis <N80730@aol.com>
Jim, We talked about this a long time ago. What it the average panel tilt
on a Swift? Is is 3deg or 7? -- Lee
Lee,
The original 1946 panels were slanted 7 degrees. Many replacements, especially
with sticks installed are at "0" or 90 degrees, if you prefer. I always thought
I liked the 7 degree panel, I had a modified airplane 25 years ago that had
a vertical ("0" degree) panel previously installed and I hated it. Mark Holliday
has the panel in one of his airplanes set at "0" and somehow it seems OK
now! -- Jim
AND I BET YOU THOUGHT WE'D NEVER GET AROUND TO TALKING ABOUT B-57s IN
A SWIFT NEWSLETTER... (060700)
Subj: Flush rivets
From: Larry Simms <larrys@abs.net>
Jim, Back when they were building the B57-B's at the Martin plant in
Baltimore, MD. I was involved with some of the design work. If I remember
correctly one of the things that we got from the Britts were flush rivets
that they used to hold the 1/32" skin on the airplane. We questioned their
use because of the stress applied to the wing skins. These rivets were a
tad larger in diameter than our small rivet but the countersink was such
that it was contained within the thickness of the 1/32" skin where our rivet
couldn't. They were tested at our request and found to be as good as the
standard flush head rivets that were used then on thicker material. I don't
remember how it was resolved because I was loaned out to the B57-D program
and that was a very different airplane. Do you have any information on this
style of flush rivet? I just wondered if they ever found their way into
commercial use. Larry Simms
Larry,
No, the only hardware usable without engineering data is listed in AC43.13-1B.
The French used some very low crown brazier type rivets also, but they are
not approved on US certificated aircraft. When I was an airline mechanic,
Boeing even used some odd ball hardware which, if you had their engineering
capability would not be too hard too prove, but for a private individual
working on a little old 50 year old airplane like a Swift would not be practical.
Some Swifts have had some flush rivets installed using dimpled skins vs.
countersinking. I am sure a good engineer could make a good case for this,
because dimpling adds shear strength to the riveted joint. In this case it
usually is up to the individual to prove to his FAA inspector that it meets
FAR 43.13 (b)... at least equal to its original condition.... Jim
CENTER SECTION QUESTION... (080300)
Subj: Structure - Center Section
From: Steve Roth <StevenRoth@aol.com>
Jim: When comparing my Swift to another (older), I noticed that the other
Swift has plates affixed with four bolts in the space in front of the main
spar where it exits the fuselage. The emergency gear cables run through holes
in these plates. The plates seem to tie the front fuselage structure and
the rear fuselage structure together. My Swift (SN 3697) does not have these
plates but has long round spacers which tie the front and rear fuselage pieces
together. These plates are not depicted in the parts manual. Is this difference
correct? Thanks, Steve
Steve,
Yes, the early Globe airplanes had a riveted on centersection and when Temco
started up they wanted a bolt together fuselage/centersection. Temco changed
this configuration at about s/n 2002, but I would have to look at a few airplanes
to say that definitely. The GC-1A's thru about s/n 300 had the early setup.
The first series of Globe GC-1B's were the early setup also, from s/n 1001
to 1103. (I believe) You are right when you say the parts catalogue doesn't
show this. There are several areas where the parts catalogue is really lacking.
-- Jim
CENTER SETIONS QUESTION PART II... (080300)
Subj: Re: Structure - Center Section
From: StevenRoth
I was told that the plates I referred to were first riveted on then later
bolted (using four bolts) on each plate. This plate is only visible when
the cover/upholstery is removed from the spar area of the center section.
Each plate sits at the front of the spar, kind of blocking the large hole
in the side of the fuselage. As I said, the emergency gear cable run through
holes in each plate. I just wanted to make sure we were talking about the
same plate. Thanks, Steve
Steve,
On the early s/n's, the part you are referring to is shaped like an "L".
On the later s/n's, it is a channel, more like a "U". The later ones have
4 bolts, the earlier ones from the factory have a row of rivets along the
forward edge and two bolts on the aft side, the short part of the "L". Once
the centersection has been removed, the rivets are usually replaced with
bolts. Underneath the aircraft, the later series have the 2 spacers and the
1/4" bolts, the early Globes have sheet metal brackets riveted on. -- Jim
CENTER SECTION SUCCESS!!! (080300)
Subj: Re: Structure - Center Section
From: Steve Roth <StevenRoth@aol.com>
OK Jim, that's the one for sure. Thanks so much for the help. Now I know
I am not missing a part. Steve
CENTERSECTION BOLTS... (110300)
From: Anton de Klerk <aviator185@hotmail.com>
Hi Jim, Could you please tell me what size bolts to use inside the fuselage to
hold the center section in place? (4 bolts through the spar) Lastly, I see
Charlie Nelson's Swift has what looks like a retracting tail wheel. Is this a
major job?
Anton,
The centersection/fuselage bolts are 1/4", 5/16" or 3/8" NF (US)
depending on position, sorry I don't remember exactly. I guess I haven't bolted
a centersection on for 15 years or so! All the bolts on a Swift are United
States AN bolts. (Army-Navy) except the 4 major wing attach bolts which are NAS
(National Aircraft Standard). These bolts all have a US National Fine thread.
Charlie Nelson does indeed have a retracting tailwheel. It was designed and
built by Merlyn Products, but they decided not to market it, so it is "one
of a kind". -- Jim
BUSHINGS...(010101)
Subj: Rudder Bell Cranks
From: George Isenberger <gi@globe-swift.net
(George)>
Hi Monty, I am still in the process of repairing my Swift after the accident I
had in March. I was able to fly it back to my hangar two weeks ago. I found my
tail-wheel fork to have play so I started correcting this. I got the bushing-kit
from Athens but could not get out the bushings that are in the Tail Cone Assy.
Any idea? Heat? I also found the Rudder Bell Cranks no. 11-351-3615 to have a
lot of play, especially sideways. Is that normal or do I have to get new ones
from Athens? Thanks for your help... Regards, George
George,
There is a machinist's bushing removing tool kit available which consists of
stepped "slugs" and a threaded rod and spacers and washers to allow
the bushings to be drawn out. Heat may help. I don't know how to illustrate by
email, but if you have too much of a problem I could snailmail a sketch. I would
disassemble the rudder bellcranks and measure and inspect them. If there is over
.005 wear or so I would consider replacing the bushings. Perhaps you can get by
just replacing the bolts. A little wear looks like a lot when moving the end of
the arm. Replacing the bolts and lubricating with some new heavy grease may keep
you flying for many years. -- Jim
CORRUGATED FLOORS... (040501)
Subj: s/n 1024
From: Don Bartholomew <spectro@nanosecond.com>
Hi Jim,
I am looking at s/n 1024 at this time. By the listings of s/n's, it is an early
-1B. The aircraft has a corrugated floor under the seats and a riveted in
centersection. I am accustomed to seeing this in -1A's and was under the
impression that all 1-B's had smooth floors and bolt in center sections. My
questions: Did any of the -1B have the corrugated floor, and if so, what s/n was
the change made to smooth floors? Or, has the data plate been changed on this
airframe? I don't see this as any problem, just curious. Thanks again for your
help. Don
Don
The early -1B's had the corregated floor. s/n 1001 to 1103 (about) That would be
correct for s/n 1024. Even a few 2000 s/n's had the corregated floor, but Temco
found that method of assembly too time consuming and in the interest of mass
production, began the bolted on centersection. BTW - regarding the riveted on
centersection with the big lightening holes in the front spar web - s/n 2001 was
made from a converted -1A (N80564, s/n 67) I'm not sure about s/n 2002 which was
evidently a newly manufactured airplane. (There were two N80565's, the first one
was a GC-1A which was exported. s/n 2003 was N80566 which has been destroyed, I
don't know what configuration that one was either. I don't know exactly what s/n
started the bolted on cc. but the time frame was probably June, 1946. s/n 3528 I
think also had the riveted on cc., it was made out of s/n 28 in 1948. I love the
history of these things! -- Jim
BEARING THE UNBEARABLE...(010302)
Subj: 78276 Control Surface Bearings
From: Jeff Wimmer <jwimmer@fleetweather.com>
My examination of the control surface attached points shows a rather ecletic
collection of hardware and a number of missing specially cupped washers. As they
will be removing all the control surfaces when she is painted, I have put in an
order with the Swift parts department for a complete set of hardware. My
question is whether I should consider replacing all the ball bearings when
everything is apart, or if that would be overkill and I should just have them
repacked with grease. The surfaces seem to move pretty nicely except for a
slight rubbing sound at the elevator in the last 25% of upward travel - which
I'll have checked when it is apart. It doesn't look like an easy job to change
the bearings, as they seem to be staked in the holders. As some of the washers
are missing, the bearings have been exposed to the elements, and are probably
pretty dry. Also, the bearings aren't cheap at (approximately) $25 each.....but
it's not often that one has all the surfaces removed. Is it a difficult job to
change the bearings, and what are your thoughts about whether I should have it
done? Thanks! Jeff Wimmer
Jeff
While the control surfaces are off I would inspect and lubricate the K3L and
KS3L bearings. I would not arbitrarily replace them. A regreaseing tool is
available from Aircraft Spruce and others. The holes in the hinges can only have
so many bearings pressed into them over a lifetime before they get worn out! It
is not too hard to replace the bearings, you must make a puller arangement with
a long threaded 3/16" bolt or screw and a couple of wrench sockets to pull
them in. You might have a couple of bearings on hand to replace any rusty or
worn ones. -- Jim
WHICH GREASER IS WHICH...(010302)
Subj: Re: 78276 Control Surface Bearings
From: Jeff Wimmer <jwimmer@fleetweather.com>
Hi (Again) Monty:
I went to the Aircraft Spruce website to order one of those bearing re-greasers,
and here is what came up:
10650-3 BEARING REGREASER (ACS) #3 $8.200
10650-4 BEARING REGREASER # 4 $10.800
10650-5 BEARING REGREASER (ACS) #5 $11.950
10650-6 ACS BEARING REGREASER 10650-6 $12.550
10650-8 #8 BEARING REGREASER 10650-8 $13.650
12-11500 ACS BEARING REGREASER SET $53.750
So, I called and asked which one I need. They didn't have any information about
what fits the Swift bearings, but told me that if I had the dimensions of the
bearings, they could tell me what to buy. Also intended to ask you what you
meant by "......lubricate the K3L and KS3L bearings"Are there two
different types and/or sizes of bearings? -- Jeff
Jeff
The K3L and KS3L bearings take an AN3 bolt (3/16") The ailerons and flaps
take the KS3L - the "S" stands for swivel or self aligning. The tail
surfaces take the K3L -- the bearings are in a straight line. I would guess you
want the 10650-3 bearing regreaser. -- Jim
RIVETS... (JAN 03)
Subj: Brazier Head Rivets
From: Jared Smith <jedswift@aol.com>
Monty, Where can I find those original AN455 rivets? It would be nice to keep
all the rivet matching! Thanks for any direction you may have, Jared Smith
N3378K
Jared - Sierra Pacific Supply out there in CA. Look them up in Google or www.switchboard.com
Note: some are AN456 Strange I should get your note today. I just got a shipment
from them today! Here is their contact info: Sierra Pacific Supply, 1801 West El
Segundo Blvd, Compton, CA 90222-1096 (310) 638-9318 FAX (310) 638-8105 Email: rivethouse@earthlink.net
RIVET SIZE CORRECTION... (FEB 03)
From: Mark Holliday <MarkH85@aol.com>
Subject: Rivets
To: Jared Smith <Jedswift@aol.com>
Jed, most of the swifts I've worked on had 456 braizer not the 455 which are the
larger brazier heads. Mark
MARK WITH MORE ON RIVETS... (MAR 03)
From: Mark Holliday <MarkH85@aol.com>
Subject: Re: February #2 GTS Internet Update
Hi Denis, More on rivets. It has been my experience some of the very early Globe
serial numbers, and the very late Temcos used the small headed AN456 3/32
rivets. In between, like Bill said, I think they used the 455 3/32 and the 456
1/8 to enable the use of the same set. It was like that on Cessna 120/140's and
Luscombes. Probably made production easier. Or they used whatever they had for
convience. Mark
RIGGING... (APRIL 03)
Subj: Rigging
From: Doc Moore <darladoc@sport.rr.com>
Jim:
I don't find anything in the archives concerning rigging per say. Read all the
articles I could find on the flaps, ailerons, etc. When I put my new wings on I
set the ailerons and flaps up to line up with the center section trailing edges.
Everything matches up well out to the tips. I also installed stock tips which
took mounting a lot of new nut plates and drilling some new holes. On my maiden
test flight I experienced an extremely heavy right wing. The heaviness increased
greatly as speed passed through 130 mph indicated. I adjusted left aileron trim
tab to lower left wing. Flew airplane on second flight and had no heaviness.
When I looked out at flaps and ailerons though, the ailerons were reflexed
significantly because of the push of the trim tab. I came back and straightened
the tab and raised the left flap 6 turns on the ball ends. Went for the third
flight and right wing is as heavy as first flight. While holding significant
left pressure on the stick I eyeballed the ailerons and flaps trailing edges and
everything was lined up perfect. Seems confusing to me. Am also having to hold
left rudder and already have a good bit of left rudder trim bent in on the tab.
(180 Lycoming with no offset in mount) My next move is to lower the right flap
but I hate to do it because the way it is now its lined up perfectly from root
to tip. I did notice that my right tip is slightly drooped cause I shoved the
tip too far on the wing on the bottom. I can adjust this by opening the holes on
the bottom of the tip to move it out and then use tinnerman washers. I kept
looking at the tip thinking that if the right tip is drooped it ought to
generate lift because of the trailing edge of the tip drooping. Checked my
elevators and they're less than 1/8" difference between left and right.
Thought I might be getting some roll moment if one side was higher than the
other. Got any thoughts on all this or any suggestions for me to follow? I'm
missing something here or else maybe I've got an incidence difference between
the left and right wing. The left wing was damaged and Swift Works repaired it
with a new leading edge skin, rear spar, and several upper and lower skins.
Vaughn and Scott know what they're doing so don't suspect this to be an issue.
Interesting issue... with the old wings I was heavy on the left side. Could the
tips be the culprit? Would appreciate any help you could give. Doc Moore
Doc
There is a rigging procedure on Pg. 28 & 29 of the Operators Handbook. To
start with, with the cable tension relaxed, adjust the push-pull rods from the
actuating bellcrank to the aileron so the bellcrank is 90 degrees to the rear
spar when the aileron is neutral. The inspection cover makes a handy 90 degree
measuring tool. At this time, you want the control wheels (or sticks if you have
them) tied in neutral with something like a yardstick and masking tape. When 20
pounds tension is evenly applied to the aileron cables they should remain in
neutral. You may want just slightly less than 20 pounds but the book says 20.
See the flaps procedure for correcting wing heaviness. Now having said all this,
you can adjust the aileron tab also, but as you have discovered getting the
trailing edges to line up takes some test flying and experimenting. The wing
tips are important when it comes to wing heaviness. If one tip is giving more or
less lift than the other you never will get the airplane to fly straight, at
least not without gross adjustments to the flaps and ailerons. I have reskinned
a fair amount of wings and many times the curvature of the leading edge may be
slightly changed or the wash out slightly changed so it's pretty hard to match
what the factory did 50 years ago. If you can get the trailing edges to line up
holding a little aileron pressure I would tweak a wing tip to get rid of wing
heaviness. You can try redrilling the tip or making a hammer adjustment with a
hammer and 2 x 4 and in an extreme case even break the spot welds in the
trailing edge and reweld it after reshaping. If you start out with the ailerons
rigged per the book, it helps, but it is a trial and error process to get
everything to line up. I would suspect the tips are contributing to your wing
heaviness. -- Jim
DATA PLATE LOCATIONS... (AUG 03)
Subj: Airframe data plate location
From: Denis Mee <meetwo@comcast.net>
Hi Jim,
I remember there was some discussion about the location of the ID data plate on
the airframe but I can't seem to find any reference to it now, can you tell me
where the data was installed on the Temco Swift? Thanks, Dennis Mee
Dennis
The Temcos had the data plate on the left side of the fuselage at about sta.165.
If you want to know exactly I could measure mine tomorrow and get back to you.
The Globes had two data plates, one on the firewall and one on the hat shelf
behind the pilot. Except the Temco built Globes (the 2000 s/n's) only had the
one on the hat shelf. -- Jim
Thanks Jim,
No need to measure that's about where it is on 3812K. I also had one on the
bulkhead behind the hat shelf, I'll remove that one to keep the fed's from
asking questions! Thanks again! -- Dennis
COWLING PAPERWORK... (DEC 03)
Subj: Swift
From: Bill Boothe <bboothe@neto.com>
Monty - I recently purchased a GC1B Swift with an 0-300 engine. The cowling is
made of fiberglass and does not appear to be the original equipment. Also the
wing tips are fiberglass. I cannot find any information in my log books or list
of STC's. How can I find out if the above is approved? (the last owner is
deceased) Thanks Bill Boothe N3947K
Bill
I believe you bought N3747K, the late Goody Goodrich Swift. You are right that
the fiberglass parts aren't original! Hopefully, the modifications were properly
documented on 337 forms when they were done. If so, you can get copies from the
FAA. For a voice call, call 405-954-3116 and for a fax dial 405-954-3548. The
fax is best, just fax a note you want the aircraft file (make sure you get the
"N" number right! The voice line is very busy so use a phone with
redial. The FAA supplies the aircraft records on a CD-ROM now and you can easily
print copies. The fiberglass cowl and wingtips are a common STC used on the
Swift and should be on your aircraft equipment list and noted on your weight and
balance report. It sounds like you need a competent I.A. mechanic to get your
paperwork in order. -- Jim
NOW YOU CAN SAVE THAT "UNSAVABLE"
CENTER SECTION... (JAN 04)
Nevada Swift expert Don Bartholomew is making a run of center section spar caps,
both top and bottom. He currently has the material and is negotiating having
them bent now. He expects them to be finished early February. Don says the price
should be $875 for the top cap, $925 for the lower cap, or $1700 for a pair.
There are a limited quantity so if you are interested contact Don now to reserve
yours.
Don Bartholomew
Aeroplane Factory
885 Taildragger Road
Gardnerville, NV 89410
v: 775-782-2992
f: 775-782-7568
email: diamondswift@earthlink.net
RIVET SIZE QUESTION... (FEB 04)
Subj: RIVETS
From: Todd Asche <wcrcoi@midstate.tds.net>
Jim,
My son and myself are going to start drilling rivets on the center section. You
told me about a slightly over sized rivet available (out of California?) Would
you have that rivet # size and company name and phone #. Thanks, Logan and Todd
Asche, Willmar MN (N3721K)
P.S. I have been very impressed with the people involved with Swifts. Every one
is super friendly and have gone beyond the call of duty to help us with our
questions and parts needs. This has been a father-son project for us and the new
friends we have made (fellow Swifters) have even made the experience even better
yet. Thank You
Logan & Todd
See AC43.13-1B Chapter 4. Section 4, page 4-16. In para.(4) is the statement
" These rivets can also be purchased in half sizes by designating a
"0.5" after the main length (i.e. MS20470 AD4-3.5) They can be
obtained from: Hanson Rivet and Supply Co. Http://www.hansonrivet.com (I believe
that is where I got them last, my rivets are all over at the airport) Their
phone number is: (323) 227-4000. I believe these rivets take a # 27 drill for
the 1/8" oversize (well, maybe a #26, it's been a while) Good luck with
N3721K, it is an old friend! -- Jim
"COVER ME SCOTTY, I’M GOIN’ IN"... (FEB 04)
Subj: Heading into the tail
From: Harry Fenton <gippsaero@charter.net>
Hi Jim,
The weather is probably going to be rotten for three or four weeks and the sod
strip I'm at won't be useable, so I'm knocking the Swift down for an annual
inspection. This is really the first time I've dug deep into it. I popped off
the panel in the baggage compartment and I feel like the guy that looked into
King Tut's tomb for the first time- pretty exciting. If it were just a Cessna,
I'd flop down and crawl into the tailcone. Just as a precaution, I want to make
sure that there is nothing special about the Swift. I can see where some of the
bulkheads have been bent a bit from past expeditions. One thing just out of my
reach that will be removed is an old remote compass sender that is about the
size of a small coffee can and looks heavy. Speaking of heavy, I was under the
panel today pulling out old wiring and working on a plan to remove an old radio
power supply. The power supply is big enough that I will have to do some pretty
good disassembly of some surrounding components to get it out. One part that
puzzles me is a large capacitor about the size of half a pop can that is bolted
to the bottom of the glove box. I haven't traced it's roots yet, but just
wondered if this is a stock Swift part, or some add on for the long gone tube
radios. Harry
Harry
I have protected the bulkheads and bottom skin with an old carpet but I have
also crawled back there just being careful. Wear some soft shoes or slippers and
some knee pads like carpenters use. Take along a spray can of LPS-3 or ACF-50
and spray the structure, especially the longeron shelf where moisture can be
retained. Inspect the AN3 bolt in the elevator bellcrank where the push/pull
rods attach. If it is loose or worn replace it. Clean the area, especially the
drain holes in the lower corners of the bulkheads. Remove any unwanted wiring or
unused electrical junk. The bottom skin is only .016 so it dents easily but it
is fairly rigid with the curved radius. Some Swifts have a cardboard draft seal
at sta. 145. I don't know what that capacitor might be, it is not a Swift part.
Probably a noise filter for something that Jim Walker put in there. If you
eventually strip out and trash-can 100 lb. of junk you probably will have a
pretty good performing 125! -- Jim
CENTER SECTION RIVET SEARCH... (FEB 04)
Subj: Swift Rivets
From: Todd Asche <wcrcoi@midstate.tds.net>
Jim,
We called Hanson Rivet Co. They claim they do not have 1/8" rivets in a
slightly larger diameter. Our center section has been worked on before, so the
holes are now larger. We don’t want to go to a 5/32" rivet, because of
the larger head. We also received a e-mail from a Jim Thomason. He stated also
that there was a rivet that is slightly larger in diameter with the same size
head. Any idea of where else to look for these rivets? Todd Asche
Todd
I went over to my hangar this morning and located my rivets. The company is
Sierra Pacific Supply. They have every rivet I know of and maybe more!
Sierra Pacific Supply
1801 West El Segundo Boulevard
Compton, CA 90222-1096
PH. (310) 638-9318
FAX (310) 638-8105
EMAIL rivethouse@earthlink.net
TREASURE HUNTING...(MAR 03)
Subj: Treasures of the Swift
From: Harry Fenton <gippsaero@charter.net>
Hi Jim,
I've had a pretty successful week "spelunking" in my Swift. I removed
an inoperative Pioneer remote compass, a Narco power supply the size of a
toaster, a voltage inverter and about a 100 feet or old wire and antenna cables.
Weight savings so far is 27 lbs! That was a lot of dead weight! The old Pacific
Scientific inertia reels are doomed and will probably save another 5-7 lbs. The
weight of the seats that I removed was surprising- probably 30 lbs or more for
my overstuffed, but otherwise stock seats. I'm thinking that the Cessna 150
seats would be lighter than the old stock seat that I have. One of our local
homebuilding types wants to make a carbon fiber seat back that will look just
like the stock seat but be a lot lighter. The final weight loss will probably be
the miles of stainless hose. Walker must have owned stock in the company that
made this stuff as he sure used a lot of it. There is a lot of weight in the
panel and all of the sensors installed by Jim Walker, but those items are kind
of part of the character of this plane, so I'm not sure if I'll remove that
stuff. I'll be putting the Swift on scales in March and I'll let you know how it
weighs in. Harry
Harry
JIm Walker was an engineer for McDonald in St Louis, so I would guess there are
a lot of F4 Phantom parts on that Swift! -- Jim
DATA PLATE ISSUES...(JUNE 04)
Subj: O-300A data plate
From: Greg Morton <gmfly4kix@sbcglobal.net>
Hi Monty,
I have a 1956 172 with a C145-2...Don't know how it came to be. We are having a
major overhaul now and would like to change the data plate to an O-300A. The
case was recently changed, purchased from Divco and it is an O-300A case made in
1958. Do you know where I can get a new or like new data plate. I believe the
engines are identical except for the data plates. I would like to have the data
plate reflect the original engine (O-300A). What would need to be done to
complete the switch? I do have a copy of the TCM SB for the conversion of data
plate. Thank you, Greg Morton
Greg
If you have a copy of the SB you must realize changing the data plate is a big
deal. You must follow the procedure in the SB and get a letter from your local
FSDO and submit everything to TCM. There were some bogus data plates around for
the A-65, C-85 and C-90 engines but not O-300 engines to my knowledge. -- Jim
RIVETS...(JUNE 04)
Subj: Rivets
From: Ernie Hansen <ephansen@olypen.com>
Hi Jim,
Sorry to bother you with this as I saw the information recently, but can't
locate it on the web site or in the archives. What is the source you mentioned
for rivets. I'm looking particularly for AN 442 flat head rivets. Thanks, Ernie
Hansen Diamond Point, WA
Ernie
The best source I know of is:
Sierra Pacific Supply
1801 West El Segundo Boulevard
Compton, CA 90222-1096
Ph (310) 638-9318 Fax (310) 638-8105
Email <rivethouse@earthlink.net>
EXHAUST IN TAILCONE...(JUNE 04)
Subj: Exhaust in Tailcone
From:James Mack < jmack@clemson.edu>
Jim,
Steve Pittman and I are rebuilding S/N 11 down here in Manning, SC, and we're
going to have to do something about the exhaust fumes in the tailcone. Can the
problem be solved like it was on the Cardinal? They cut an inspection panel on
the left side of the aft fuselage and mounted a small scoop on the cover. That
pressurizes the tailcone so exhaust is not sucked in. That seems to me to be the
easiest way to fix the problem, but I want to keep the plane legal, and I was
wondering if a 337 for a similar fix existed. Thanks for your help, James Mack
James
I think if you just put a small scoop on an inspection panel that would be a
minor alteration. I do not know of a 337 for anything like that. Having said
that, if the tail area is washed periodically and sprayed with LPS-3 or AC-50 or
similar then corrosion should not be a big problem. When the Swifts were new
they didn't have corrosion preventive treatments like they do now. Of course,
they didn't think Swifts would still be flying sixty years later either! -- Jim
EXHAUST IN TAILCONE PART TWO...
Subj: Re: Exhaust in Tailcone
From:James Mack < jmack@clemson.edu>
Jim,
You say it would be considered a minor alteration to put a scoop on an
inspection panel, but would cutting the hole for the inspection panel be
considered a major alteration by the FAA? Thanks again, James
James
I would say most FAA inspectors would consider that minor. FAA Definition of
Major Alteration - an alteration not listed in the aircraft aircraft engine or
propeller specifications -- (1) That might appreciably affect weight balance,
structural strength, performance, powerplant operation, flight characteristics
or other qualities affecting airworthiness; or (2) That can not be done
according to accepted practices or cannot be done by elementary operations. --
Jim